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and even if your local law enforcement authorities are okay with it. and even request your state's government says stuff like segregation now. you're part of the united states of america and far of our constitution you cannot operate racially discriminatory businesses. nobody thinks you can do this anymore, right? lives were lost and a lot of blood was shed to enforce that principle, but it is settled now, right? until the last couple of years. when kentucky republican rand paul won a seat in the united states senate in 2010. it was after a campaign in which he said the 1964 civil rights act made him uncomfortable. he wasn't sure that anybody should be able to tell a private business that, for example, you have to serve black people. >> would you have voted for the civil rights act of 1964? >> i like the civil rights act in the sense that it ended discrimination in all public domains and i'm all in favor of that. but -- you had to ask me the but. but i don't like the idea of telling private business owners. i ab who are racism. i think it's a bad idea
and even if your local law enforcement authorities are okay with it. and even request your state's government says stuff like segregation now. you're part of the united states of america and far of our constitution you cannot operate racially discriminatory businesses. nobody thinks you can do this anymore, right? lives were lost and a lot of blood was shed to enforce that principle, but it is settled now, right? until the last couple of years. when kentucky republican rand paul won a seat in...
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a lot of disparity in the law. bottom line, supreme court is going to hear it and hopefully will rule correctly that you're able to sell your things like personal electronic, ipad, cars if they're foreign made would be subjected to this. >> bill: what is the rationale for any judge to say to me i can't sell my stuff? >> well, the second circuit got it wrong but the rationale is copyright law. once you buy that thing from the foreign maker, that you owe the foreign maker, if you try to resell it to somebody else. >> bill: why? he's selling the product to me. it's like look, it's my books. i sell the book to the public and if the public buys the book and wants to resell, i can't stop him. >> but the difference is the 1908 doctrine doesn't apply necessarily to foreign products. >> bill: why? why? it's a product! i know. but in 1908 doctrine, they weren't thinking about ebay. >> bill: this is crazy, we're a free country. if you buy something, it's your property, you can sell it. >> that's why i think the supreme court
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law in pennsylvania. tim burress, the pennsylvania democratic party chair, and katherine cowl tin-gonzalez. i know she doesn't outrank either of you but i want her to start because he's an expert. how important is this for the people who were trying to push this through and how important was it to defeat it in pennsylvania? >> this is huge. it's a great victory. the fight is still on. we've got to defeat this in the future in other states, but we've been fighting and winning in pennsylvania in taction and wisconsin against these restrictive photo i.d. laws. it's a great vintcation for the people of pennsylvania. >> what's the purpose? is it ethnic, partisan? who are they targeting? >> well, we only need to look fe facts. there's a disparate impact on the elderly, on students, on young people, and on african-americans and on latinos. that's why we're winning. we're fighting back and winning. >> bill clinton, who is very good at making things simple, as we know, he's done it again this summer, he said this
law in pennsylvania. tim burress, the pennsylvania democratic party chair, and katherine cowl tin-gonzalez. i know she doesn't outrank either of you but i want her to start because he's an expert. how important is this for the people who were trying to push this through and how important was it to defeat it in pennsylvania? >> this is huge. it's a great victory. the fight is still on. we've got to defeat this in the future in other states, but we've been fighting and winning in...
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law in pennsylvania, the strict new i.d. law cannot go in effect for the general election. there is a chance the state could appeal this to the state's supreme court, but based on what the supreme court said last time they looked at this, it's doubtful they would succeed there. what the judge says here is yes, it's true. the state has said we can fix some of the problems that have come up before, but he says, i question whether there is enough time now to fix these problems. i think there are going to be more problems down the road putting this into effect like we've already seen, he says. he believes that the gap between the photo i.d.'s issued and the estimated need cannot be closed before the election. in other words, he says all the people who would have to get new photo i.d.s, he doubts there is enough time for them to get them. he says i'm not convinced in my predictive judgment there won't be any voter disenfranchisement arising out of this new law. pennsylvania in march passed this new law requiring voter i.d.s. people started going to get them and the state said, w
law in pennsylvania, the strict new i.d. law cannot go in effect for the general election. there is a chance the state could appeal this to the state's supreme court, but based on what the supreme court said last time they looked at this, it's doubtful they would succeed there. what the judge says here is yes, it's true. the state has said we can fix some of the problems that have come up before, but he says, i question whether there is enough time now to fix these problems. i think there are...
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law. if a judge decides the state has hasn't adequately assisted in getting the identification, he can block the law from being imposed. the judge could leave the law in effect but let voters cast a provisional ballot. >>> jerry brown signed new legislation to let immigrants get driver's license. it covers immigrants who came to the u.s. before they were 16 and meet criteria to apply for a federal work permit program. >>> speaking of those young folks, when asked about the same workers, mitt romney said he would honor their temporary visas and allow the workers to say in the u.s. if he becomes president. this of course, is that executive order that the president signed. mitt romney had not said whether he was going to keep that order in place or rescind it. he says now, you can keep it in place. >>> one border patrol agent has been killed in a shooting near the mexico/arizona border. we're following that story. we'll get you more updates as we get them. >>> in today's deep dive, president
law. if a judge decides the state has hasn't adequately assisted in getting the identification, he can block the law from being imposed. the judge could leave the law in effect but let voters cast a provisional ballot. >>> jerry brown signed new legislation to let immigrants get driver's license. it covers immigrants who came to the u.s. before they were 16 and meet criteria to apply for a federal work permit program. >>> speaking of those young folks, when asked about the...
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i think of as following the law. we do cover debts of immigration reform, comprehensive besom reform. ready to follow the loss from enforce our borders. but we need to do immigration reform. and it needs drop-in and now. we cannot keep putting us off. it is not right. >> a lot to live for issues as quick as we can. i think they are important. want to touch on foreign policy cured the war on afghanistan is drawn to a close. it is then laid up for united states troops to return,. ms. warren, i will start with you, what is an acceptable outcome to the war afghanistan? what is the nine states whose responsibility, even after united states troops returned? >> i think that we have always had difficulty with describing that. as a result, the 20 to get our troops about kurdistan. as for good as a mechanic, consistently as we can. >> would bring mom before? >> i think it is time to bring our troops, and to stop spending $2 billion a week in afghanistan. >> the net states does not have a responsibility any longer? >> -- united
i think of as following the law. we do cover debts of immigration reform, comprehensive besom reform. ready to follow the loss from enforce our borders. but we need to do immigration reform. and it needs drop-in and now. we cannot keep putting us off. it is not right. >> a lot to live for issues as quick as we can. i think they are important. want to touch on foreign policy cured the war on afghanistan is drawn to a close. it is then laid up for united states troops to return,. ms....
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law in place for pennsylvania. and i think barring some change or data i've not seen, i'm not convinced pennsylvania was in play even if law had been upheld. i just don't think the votes add up for republicans in pennsylvania. i always say it's like charlie brown, lucy and the football. every time charlie brown tries to kick the football, lucy pulls it away. that's pennsylvania for republicans. look at the numbers and say theoretically we can get there but ultimately can never get there. s there this ruling is an icing or cherry on top. i don't think they would have won the state regardless, less likely today. >> and when you look at the fact that early voting is starting in ohio, iowa, all these states already voting, how does that affect the way the candidates are spending their time and money? >> you're actually seeing them literallies and president obama's rallies he had been going to in ohio last week, were all about getting the early vote out, making sure people were registered and saying hey, remember, folks
law in place for pennsylvania. and i think barring some change or data i've not seen, i'm not convinced pennsylvania was in play even if law had been upheld. i just don't think the votes add up for republicans in pennsylvania. i always say it's like charlie brown, lucy and the football. every time charlie brown tries to kick the football, lucy pulls it away. that's pennsylvania for republicans. look at the numbers and say theoretically we can get there but ultimately can never get there. s...
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. >> i never used it for college, for law school, or to get a job. >> senator scott brown on defense trying to back up his manufactured native american controversy. brown and democratic opponent elizabeth warren just finished their second debate for brown's senate seat. it was front and center in the debate. but brown also had a tough time standing by mitt romney's economic plan. >> you support governor romney for president, i assume. >> as i said, when it comes to dealing with the economic issues, absolutely. but we're two different people. >> you would be a reliable ally when it came to his economic plan? on his economic plan, you said there's nobody better. >> i would also like to read the bills. a lot of people don't read the bills down there. >> meanwhile, a new set of polls show this race is close. polling from mass i think has it close. 18% of massachusetts voters are still undecided. and that means senator brown's seat is still up for grabs. for more on this tonight, let's turn to felix arroyo. you were at the first debate and of course, at this one again tonight. watched thi
. >> i never used it for college, for law school, or to get a job. >> senator scott brown on defense trying to back up his manufactured native american controversy. brown and democratic opponent elizabeth warren just finished their second debate for brown's senate seat. it was front and center in the debate. but brown also had a tough time standing by mitt romney's economic plan. >> you support governor romney for president, i assume. >> as i said, when it comes to...
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the law itself. nbc news's justice correspondent pete williams joins us now. pete, good afternoon. what did the judge actually say about why he decided to rule this way? >> reporter: well, let's track what's happened here. the state first passed the law and said if you don't have a dlls, you need a government i.d. if you don't have the driver's license, then you could get the nondriver's state issued i.d. and then the state said, wait a minute, that's a secure form of i.d., so if you want that you're going to have to have a certificate, birth certificate with a raised seal and three other forms of identification. well, that was a problem. so then the state said, okay, here is what we're going to do. we'll issue a new form of i.d. that's good only for voting, and they started to do that, but they said you could only get that if you couldn't qualify for the other forms. then they changed their mind on that. so what the judge finally said is, i think the state now has it about right, that it's easy to g
the law itself. nbc news's justice correspondent pete williams joins us now. pete, good afternoon. what did the judge actually say about why he decided to rule this way? >> reporter: well, let's track what's happened here. the state first passed the law and said if you don't have a dlls, you need a government i.d. if you don't have the driver's license, then you could get the nondriver's state issued i.d. and then the state said, wait a minute, that's a secure form of i.d., so if you want...
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law from taking effect this november, the same law that won top state republican said would help mitt romney win pennsylvania. most republicans usually don't admit as much, prefrg to frame their efforts around, quote, preventing voter fraud. but in a twist it appears that republicans may be the ones responsible for all the suspicious activity this year. last week the rnc fired a group called strategic allied consulting after accused of submitting fraudulent voter registration forms. if the republican party was shocked, perhaps it shouldn't have been. the firm is owned by a gop operative named nathan stroul sproul whose voter activities were investigated by the justice department though no charges filed. in a sign of people who want to legitimately exercise their right to vote, voters in ohio slept on the street overnight to be the first to cast their ballots when early voting began this morning in that state. joining us now is the host of politics nation, here on msnbc, the one, the only, reverend al sharpton. great to see you. >> glad to be here. >> let's talk about the pennsylvania
law from taking effect this november, the same law that won top state republican said would help mitt romney win pennsylvania. most republicans usually don't admit as much, prefrg to frame their efforts around, quote, preventing voter fraud. but in a twist it appears that republicans may be the ones responsible for all the suspicious activity this year. last week the rnc fired a group called strategic allied consulting after accused of submitting fraudulent voter registration forms. if the...
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law school will graduate and pass the bar in the first attempt. they don't get any information. that seemses to elementally unfair. we want better information from researchers and the students to benefit from the preferences. >> stewart, let's talk some about how would you would change affirm itch action. william julius wilson argues in the truly disadvantaged, we have a different critique that results in a process in the sense that those with the greatest economic resources among the less advantaged individuals are the ones actually tapped for higher-paying jobs and higher education through affirmative action. he argues as a tool to increase diversity, affirmative action is successful. as a tool to lift people, it's been a failure. how could we reform affirmative action and make it more effective in that respect? >> william julius wilson is a great scholar and he's right. his point you summarize and the affirmative action instead of it. >> they're by and large affluent blacks and hispanics and it does nothing at all for the poor and the working c
law school will graduate and pass the bar in the first attempt. they don't get any information. that seemses to elementally unfair. we want better information from researchers and the students to benefit from the preferences. >> stewart, let's talk some about how would you would change affirm itch action. william julius wilson argues in the truly disadvantaged, we have a different critique that results in a process in the sense that those with the greatest economic resources among the...
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law temporarily blocked before the election. details on a judge's decision in south carolina today. >>> and join our conversation on twitter. you can find us. tell us what you think the pressure vice president biden and congressman ryan are under 24 hours before the debate. on every one of our cards there's a date. a reminder... that before this date, we have to exceed expectations. we have to find new ways to help make life easier, more convenient and more rewarding. it's the reason why we don't have costumers. we have members. american express. welcome in. yes, you do! don't! do! whoa, kitchen counselor here. see cascade complete pacs work like micro-scrubbing brushes to help power away tough foods even in corners and edges. hmm! cascade. love it or your money back. >>> no one in the administration has claimed to no all the answers. we have always made clear that we are giving the best information we have at the time. and that information has evolved. for example, if any administration official including any career official we
law temporarily blocked before the election. details on a judge's decision in south carolina today. >>> and join our conversation on twitter. you can find us. tell us what you think the pressure vice president biden and congressman ryan are under 24 hours before the debate. on every one of our cards there's a date. a reminder... that before this date, we have to exceed expectations. we have to find new ways to help make life easier, more convenient and more rewarding. it's the reason...
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law intact. today's decision follows two days of testimony last week arguing that some requirements were making it difficult for registered voters to get a state issued i.d. >>> the world's famous hollywood sign is getting a makeover. a ten-week project to strip down and repaint the sign's giant letters will begin today ahead of its 90th birthday today. >>> happy birthday to rocker sting. he turns 61. >>> all day long you can stay on top of the very latest developments in those stories and more as they break on msnbc. and tonight be sure to watch brian williams with "nbc nightly news." >>> and, finally, here's a look at what's coming up later this morning on the "today" show. a live report on hollywood's reaction to the announcement that seth mcfarland is hosting the academy awards. >>> and a live performance by a 12-year-old opera superstar. >>> and now keep it on this channel for continuing local news, weather, sports, and more. i'm lynn berry. thanks for watching "early today," just your first
law intact. today's decision follows two days of testimony last week arguing that some requirements were making it difficult for registered voters to get a state issued i.d. >>> the world's famous hollywood sign is getting a makeover. a ten-week project to strip down and repaint the sign's giant letters will begin today ahead of its 90th birthday today. >>> happy birthday to rocker sting. he turns 61. >>> all day long you can stay on top of the very latest...
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law in pennsylvania. tim burns, the pennsylvania democratic party chair, and katherine culliton-gonzalez. director of the voter protection program at advancement project. i just want -- i know she doesn't outrank either of you gentlemen, but i want her to start because she's an expert at this. how important is this for the people who were trying to push this through and how important was it to defeat it in pennsylvania for this election? >> this is huge. it's a great victory. we're pleased with it. the fight is still on. we've got to defeat this in the future in other states, but we've been fighting and winning in pennsylvania, in texas, and wisconsin against these restrictive photo i.d. laws. it's a great vindication for the people of pennsylvania. who would have been disenfranchised by it. >> what's the purpose? is it ethnic, partisan? who are they targeting to keep from voting? >> well, we only need to look at the facts. there's a disparate impact on the elderly, on students, on young people, and on af
law in pennsylvania. tim burns, the pennsylvania democratic party chair, and katherine culliton-gonzalez. director of the voter protection program at advancement project. i just want -- i know she doesn't outrank either of you gentlemen, but i want her to start because she's an expert at this. how important is this for the people who were trying to push this through and how important was it to defeat it in pennsylvania for this election? >> this is huge. it's a great victory. we're...
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law. he doesn't think that will be a problem, but he can't take the state's word that they are going to get all the problems fixed in time for the election. >> it's a big development with 20 electoral votes in pennsylvania. later we'll get reaction to this decision from former pennsylvania governor ed rendell and mayor michael nutter. >>> who will bring the dynamite to denver? a little over the a day for the presidential debate. both president obama and mitt romney getting ready for their first face-off tomorrow night in colorado. doing the hefty lifting on the number two on the ticket and the candidates' wives. mitt romney is in denver where last night he tried to put the kibosh on predebate winning. >> people want to know who is going to win, who will make the biggest difference and scoring of winning and losing. in my view it's not so much winning and losing or even the people themselves, the president and myself, it's about something bigger than that. these debates are an opportunity f
law. he doesn't think that will be a problem, but he can't take the state's word that they are going to get all the problems fixed in time for the election. >> it's a big development with 20 electoral votes in pennsylvania. later we'll get reaction to this decision from former pennsylvania governor ed rendell and mayor michael nutter. >>> who will bring the dynamite to denver? a little over the a day for the presidential debate. both president obama and mitt romney getting ready...
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how does she know that she was the person in that particular law school? i continue to hear these arguments that say -- i think one of the discussions that took place, they were bumped because so-called blacks took their place and were unqualified. that there are other components for law schools, not just grades, but other things that are considered. consideration of all that. you know, these affirmative action things came out of -- when blacks applied to these schools, it was understood that if you were black, you would not be admitted because you were black. no blacks. there is a history of discrimination in these particular programs. i find it difficult to believe that this person can legitimately say that they were bumped because she was white. how do you know that? host: robert, it sounds like you will be interested in listening to the oral arguments. the audio will be released friday after 1:00 p.m., covered on c-span.org, in case you want to hear what sort of questions the justices asked of those arguing this case, and then to get some idea of how t
how does she know that she was the person in that particular law school? i continue to hear these arguments that say -- i think one of the discussions that took place, they were bumped because so-called blacks took their place and were unqualified. that there are other components for law schools, not just grades, but other things that are considered. consideration of all that. you know, these affirmative action things came out of -- when blacks applied to these schools, it was understood that...
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harvard pinheads and the university of california, that sidly austin is a law firm. here's the romney done ogoldman sachs, bank of america, j.p. morgan, morgan stanley, all the banks, credit criss, citigroup,bar clays, dirkland, that's a law firm. the banks have gone for romney, why? >> they are gone primary because of dodd-frank issue but if they lich to governor romney in that debate, talking about too big to fail and dodd frank, they are thinking, can i stop that check before it clears? >> what is too big to fail? >> that's a bank like j.p. morgan, chase -- >> so the government guarantees they won't go out of business. >> $1.2 trillion in assets, you will not go out of business. >> romney says he will dump that. he took their money and said, hi, got your money now. >> like barack obama did four years ago. >> lou dobbs, that's the fairest assessment you will get anywhere. right here. vicious attack on a california couple, put out a recommendny sign on their front lawn, geraldo with the details. take a look at body language at the debate. that report, after these me
harvard pinheads and the university of california, that sidly austin is a law firm. here's the romney done ogoldman sachs, bank of america, j.p. morgan, morgan stanley, all the banks, credit criss, citigroup,bar clays, dirkland, that's a law firm. the banks have gone for romney, why? >> they are gone primary because of dodd-frank issue but if they lich to governor romney in that debate, talking about too big to fail and dodd frank, they are thinking, can i stop that check before it...
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is an archaic military justice system that has not adapted, even though their own their own military law reviews show ptsd and substance abuse-related misconduct are close the related, that there is a nexus that one comes from the other. what we are addressing -- we're not asking the military to not have people held accountable for misconduct. if you need to punish someone because they illegally or in violation of regulation of used the illegal substances, go ahead and punish them within the system, but that does not mean you up to go to the extent of imposing administrative sanctions that have an impact on the rest of their life such as taking away all their benefits and then putting a person without a safety net out into the community where they then become a problem in my community. and all they do is end of draining the resources of my community. and that can be within the criminal justice system, homelessness, domestic violence, child abuse, and the list goes on and on and on. there needs to be when it comes to addressing the issue of stigma, their knees to really be a revamping of
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law for now. a judge in the past few hours blocked the law from goalkeeper into effect. judge simpson ordered the sat not to enforce the voter i.d. requirement in this year's election, but it will go into full effect next year. opponents of the law say it would hurt voter turnover, especially among minorities and the leeld he who are likely to vote for democrats in that state. it was in june that a top state republican lawmaker predicted the law would help governor romney. >> which is going to allow governor romney to win the state of pennsylvania, done. >> and joining us now, judith brown, diana's co-director of the advancement project, a civil rights organization that filed the lawsuit. thank you for your time. we played that state lawmaker who said if that law was in effect in pennsylvania, he felt that governor romney would win that state, done. the polling shows opposite. nevertheless there was a concern. let's talk about the split decision. the judge is blocking it for now, but what happens next? >> well, you know, this is a big victory for democracy. it paves the
law for now. a judge in the past few hours blocked the law from goalkeeper into effect. judge simpson ordered the sat not to enforce the voter i.d. requirement in this year's election, but it will go into full effect next year. opponents of the law say it would hurt voter turnover, especially among minorities and the leeld he who are likely to vote for democrats in that state. it was in june that a top state republican lawmaker predicted the law would help governor romney. >> which is...
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wells fargo, kirkland and elvis that's a law firm. the banks have gone for romney why? >> they have gone because primarily dodd frank. if they listened to governor romney in that debate talking about too big to fail and dodd frank. he is going to get rid of too big to fail. they are thinking right now can i stop that check before it clears. >> bill: what's too big to fail again. >> too big to fail is a bank like jp morgan chase. >> bill: the government guarantees you are not going out of asset. >> 1.2 and not going out of business no matter how big you get. >> bill: he took money. >> just like barack obama did four years ago. >> bill: lou dobbs, everybody. and that's the fairest assessment that you will get anywhere in the media right here on the factor. directly ahead, vicious attack on a california couple who put out a romney sign on their front lawn. harold with details. he has talked to the couple. body language takes a look at the debate this week. that should be interesting. those reports after these messages. ooho romney once again using a working person. apparen
wells fargo, kirkland and elvis that's a law firm. the banks have gone for romney why? >> they have gone because primarily dodd frank. if they listened to governor romney in that debate talking about too big to fail and dodd frank. he is going to get rid of too big to fail. they are thinking right now can i stop that check before it clears. >> bill: what's too big to fail again. >> too big to fail is a bank like jp morgan chase. >> bill: the government guarantees you are...